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发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 03:09 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
我是摩托车新手,刚刚拥有自己的蓝牌跨骑不到两个月,在这之前骑了一年多的电瓶车,再以前一直骑自行车。我先说说我的感受。
骑自行车的时候,主要是用后刹车,感觉很稳,如果只用前刹车,有要栽跟头的感觉。
骑电瓶车的时候,只用后刹车,急刹的时候感觉会甩尾,一般刹车都是前后一起上,因为电瓶车比较廉价,也没有太高的要求。
现在骑摩托车的时候,我的速度一直不快,最快不到50 km/h。刹车的时候如果只用后刹车,点刹的情况下,感觉车子一顿一顿的,好像车子被一股力道在后面一下一下的拽,不是很舒服,如果只用前刹车,反而很舒服,只是在最后刹停的时候,车头会下沉。但为了保险起见,提前欲判需要刹车的时候,还是后刹点刹+前轮碟刹稍微捏紧但不至于抱死,快停下来的时候,前轮碟刹加点力道刹停,车头下沉停住。
还有就是在刹车的时候要不要捏离合。看了很多帖子说高速刹车最好带档刹车,要让发动机也发挥制动作用,但我实际骑行中,感觉捏了离合刹车会变得更容易,刹车距离更短。我觉得在这里,可能发动机是双刃剑,固然低转速的发动机会起到一定制动作用,但毕竟此时发动机还是以比怠速更高的转速在工作的,还是有一定的牵引作用,如果不捏离合,还要克服发动机的这部分牵引力,这样刹车效果就打了折扣。当然,这只是我的浅见。
没骑过大排量的摩托车,所以对于高速刹车没有研究,我这里抛砖引玉,欢迎大家畅所欲言讨论!

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发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 03:13 | 只看该作者

先贴后去报名英孚教育

1. Which brake is the most effective?
The front brake is the most effective, giving between 60 & 80% of the bike's stopping power in hard stops, depending upon surface conditions.
This is because most of the weight of the bike and rider transfers forward onto the front wheel when the brakes are applied.
A common example of weight transfer is when you trip on a gutter - your feet stop but momentum keeps the top of you going and you fall flat on your face.
The weight transfer that takes place under braking on a motorcycle pushes the front wheel onto the ground and makes it grip very well.
2. Is the front wheel likely to skid if you apply the front brake hard?
No. The front wheel is likely to skid uncontrollably and bring you down only if you jam the front brake on hard. If you apply the front brake in a staged (progressive) process, the front wheel may skid but that skid is normally quite controllable.
3. Is the rear wheel likely to skid if you apply the brakes hard?
With most of the weight being on the front wheel, the rear wheel tends to be light under braking and will therefore lock up and skid very easily.
4. How do you control a rear wheel skid?
Control of a rear wheel skid is easy. Just keep your eyes up to the horizon and look where you WANT to go (not necessarily where you are actually going) and the bike will skid in a controllable manner with a minimum of fishtailing.
Basic and advanced braking techniques are best learnt under controlled conditions rather than when a truck pulls out on you! Your local motorcycle school will run a fun braking exercise session for you and some mates if you care to call the school and arrange it.
5. Is braking a natural skill?
Braking, as with any riding skill, is a learned skill, not a natural one. This means you must practice the correct braking skills enough to make them an instinctive reaction before you can be sure that you will do the right things in an emergency.
Overseas research has shown that, because of panic overpowering the rider's conscious reactions, nearly a third of all riders do absolutely nothing in an accident situation: they don't even apply the brakes!
If, however, your high level braking skills are so well learnt that they are instinctive, you will do it right, no matter what the situation. However, this requires you to do a lot of high level braking skill practice, the skills will not come with normal everyday riding.
6. Is there a special braking technique that ensures that a rider will get the best out of a motorcycle's brakes?
Yes. The process is called STAGED BRAKING and it involves the rider applying the motorcycle's brakes in a staged process. This gives the rider predictable, progressive braking.
7. In an emergency do we concentrate on using staged braking on both front and back brakes?
This is a controversial subject. Some experienced riders reckon that, even in an emergency when research has shown that panic tends to decrease your riding skills, they can apply the back brake perfectly with no loss of braking on the front.
Well, research has shown that the average rider can only properly concentrate on the use of one brake in an emergency so, unless you think you're road motorcycling's equivalent of a top motorcycle racer, we would suggest that you concentrate on getting the best out of one brake.
Of the front and rear brake on a motorcycle, the one to concentrate on in an emergency is the front brake because if you get that one wrong, lock it up and don't correct that problem then you're going to crash.
According to the American Motorcycle Safety Foundation, if you try to get the best out of both brakes in an emergency, you will get the best out of neither. The MSF says you can't concentrate FULLY on both brakes at one time.
You know your mother's old nag, "You can't concentrate on two things at one time"!
So, to get the best braking, you have to concentrate using either the front or the back brake and, since the front brake gives up to 80% of your braking power and incorrect application is likely to make you fall off, it makes sense to concentrate on the front brake.
The American Motorcycle Safety Foundation teaches their instructors that "in an emergency braking situation you should apply the back brake hard and let the back wheel slide if it wants to.
This way you can concentrate on what is happening up front; there's enough to think about in the use of the front brake."
8. So how should I apply the rear brake?
Apply it and forget about it. Let the back wheel skid if necessary. Concentrate on using staged braking to harness the superior power of the front brake to save your life.
9. Is Staged Braking difficult to learn?
Given practice, the skill is not difficult to learn. The best way to learn it is to start off with a four stage application of the front brake. Later you can increase the number of stages to make your braking more and more progressive, if you want to.
10.Can you explain four stage braking in practical terms?
To understand four stage braking, think of a rider coming up to a set of lights. Stage One is the force with which he applies the front brake when he sees the lights turn orange some way ahead, in other words, lightly.
At Stage One, the rider is applying the front brake to the point where the brake is just on and slowing the bike down very, very gently to roll to a stop.
Stage Two is the force the rider would use if he was a bit closer to the lights when they turned orange, and he had to make a normal, smooth stop at the lights. So, Stage Two is the firm pull used to bring the bike to a firm, but quiet stop.
The rider applies his front brake to Stage One (friction point) before going on to apply to a steady force at Stage Two.
Stage Three. Our rider has dithered about whether to stop for the orange light before deciding he'd better. By this time, he has to stop quite hard to stop. So he applies the front brake to friction point (Stage One), then onto a firm pull (Stage Two) before applying pressure with a strong pull at Stage Three.
Stage Four. The rider very unwisely decides to run the orange only to find, just before he reaches the lights, that they turn red. In this serious situation the rider needs all the braking he's got.
So he applies the front brake to friction point, moves onto the firm pull of Stage Two, then to the strong pull of Stage Three, before giving it all he's got at Stage Four.
11. If you "give it all you've got" on the front brake at Stage Four, won't you get front wheel lockup?
Possibly. But by using the staged braking process, by the time the tyre gets to the point of locking up at Stage Four, the weight has transferred forward onto the front wheel.
And any tendency of the front tyre to lose grip is both easily sensed and controlled, unlike a front wheel skid caused by a tyre locking up when the brake is jammed on hard while weight is moving around on the bike under weight transfer.
With correct use of the Four Stage process, controlling a front wheel skid is simply a matter of keeping the wheel steering straight ahead as you relax pressure on the front brake to allow the wheel to revolve again and regain grip.
12. What will happen if the front wheel locks and I don't relax some pressure?
You'll fall off as the wheel will eventually tuck under and the bike (and you) will fall down.
13. How good can you get at emergency braking?
In emergency stops, expert riders are capable of controlling a front wheel skid by releasing pressure on the front brake just enough to get that wheel turning again without actually letting the brake right off.
This requires considerable sensitivity on the brakes and the only way you will gain this sort of sensitivity is to practice.
At the NZMSC higher level Megarider sessions, the way the instructors tell if the pupil has reached a suitable standard is whether they can hear the front tyre chattering as the tyre grips at the point of adhesion during emergency stops.
14. Is a bald tyre a liability when braking?
A treadless tyre will quite adequately handle braking stresses on a perfect road surface. The trouble is that perfect road surfaces are more than rare - they're virtually extinct.
Tyre tread acts like a broom, sweeping debris, dirt, gravel and water etc off the road surface in order that the tyre can grip the road.
The tread on a sensibly ridden motorcycle can comfortably handle most foreign matter on a road surface - with the possible exception of oil (especially diesel oil), thick mud, and smooth wet paint.
But link a bald tyre with foreign matter on the road surface and throw in braking stresses for good measure, and the crash will resound throughout the neighbourhood.
15. How should I brake on slippery and loose surfaces.
Carefully but not timidly. The secret to good braking on poor surfaces is observation. If you know what's under your wheels you can tailor your braking to the surface.
So, keep an eye on the road surface. If you cross a slippery surface under strong braking the front wheel may lock. This is why riders who brake late and hard for orange or red lights often spill off - into the middle of the intersection.
The fall occurs because the rider fails to ease the front brake as the front wheel crosses the white line that crosses the lanes at the edge of the intersection. Then the front wheel breaks loose under braking on the slippery surface, the rider panics and freezes, and he and his bike head groundwards...
The basic requirements for braking on a loose surface such as gravel are the same as those applying to braking on a sealed surface. The difference is that you must observe the requirements more strictly on gravel.
You must brake in plenty of time, preferably brake while upright and in a straight line (any braking while leaned over in gravel is extremely hazardous), use both brakes very progressively.
Carefully interpret the noise from the front and rear tyre while braking to detect and counteract any wheel lock-up, know your road surface, and take particular care when braking on gradients, inclines, and heavy cambers.
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发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 03:19 | 只看该作者
请仔细阅读上贴内容及以下视频
http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNDk4MTA5MzY0/v.swf




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发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 03:44 | 只看该作者
刚开始越小心越好,慢慢摸索,不用人教,你也会知道怎么刹~

摔过一次以后,经验值啪啪往上涨~

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发表于 江苏省 2016-9-30 04:07 | 只看该作者
先要熟悉自己车况,是不是刹车功能不合格,再来讨论操作规范。
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发表于 江西省 2016-9-30 04:17 | 只看该作者
shooter556 发表于 2016-9-30 11:44
刚开始越小心越好,慢慢摸索,不用人教,你也会知道怎么刹~

摔过一次以后,经验值啪啪往上涨~

正解!摔过涨记性的飘过
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发表于 江苏省 2016-9-30 04:39 | 只看该作者
VICTORCHU 发表于 2016-9-30 11:19
请仔细阅读上贴内容及以下视频
http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNDk4MTA5MzY0/v.swf

小日本要求紧急时习惯后轮锁死的情况, 在后轮锁死的时候不甩车

这种观点很少见
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 楼主| 发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 07:48 | 只看该作者
摩幻鲍鱼 发表于 2016-9-30 11:13
先贴后去报名英孚教育
1. Which brake is the most effective?The front brake is the most effective,  ...

很经典很好的刹车教程,我正在翻译,翻译好了发上来让大家指正!
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发表于 上海市 2016-9-30 11:07 | 只看该作者
VICTORCHU 发表于 2016-9-30 11:19
请仔细阅读上贴内容及以下视频
http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNDk4MTA5MzY0/v.swf

视频很棒,学习了
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 楼主| 发表于 安徽省 2016-10-1 03:19 | 只看该作者
laoda241 发表于 2016-9-30 15:48
很经典很好的刹车教程,我正在翻译,翻译好了发上来让大家指正!

感谢鲍鱼的教程,我现在人工翻译成中文了,水平有限,欢迎大家指正!
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1.前后刹车哪个更有效?
前刹更有效,在不同的路面情况下,紧急刹车的时候可提供60%~80%的制动力,这是因为前刹开始制动的时候,人车的绝大部分重量会作用到前轮。一个很常见的重心移动的例子是你绊倒在水沟钱的时候,你的脚停住了,但是惯性让你的上半身继续向前,然后你就脸朝下栽倒了。摩托车刹车的时候重心移动把前轮压向地面获得了更好的抓地效果。

2、当你用前刹车用力制动的时候,前轮会不会打滑?
不!前轮不受控制的打滑并且摔倒只发生在前刹车抱死的情况下,如果你用前刹车点刹,前轮可能会打滑,但是这种打滑一般来说是可控的。

3、当你用后刹车用力制动的时候,后轮会不会打滑?
刹车的时候大部分的重量压在前轮上面,后轮在刹车的时候会变轻,因此非常容易抱死并且打滑。

4、你如何控制后轮打滑?
控制后轮打滑很简单。注视着地平线并且看你想走的地方(不一定你真的从那里走)摩托车将会以可控的方式最低程度地甩尾打滑。基本的和进阶的刹车技巧是在可控的情况下习得的,好过让卡车顶你的屁股。如果你愿意,你可以致电当地驾校,驾校将会为你和同伴安排有趣的刹车练习课程。

5、刹车是一种本能的技能吗?
刹车,和任何骑行技巧一样,是一种通过学习获得的技能,而不是本能的技能。这意味着在你确保你在紧急情况下能做出正确反应之前,你必须经过足量的正确的刹车技能训练使其变成一种本能。国外研究表明,因为高度惊慌的时候骑手下意识的反应,有三分之一的骑手在紧急状况下根本不能采取任何行动,甚至都没有用刹车!

所以不管怎样,你的刹车技能训练得像本能那样好,不管在什么状况下,你都能作出正确反应。然而,这需要你进行大量的高水平的刹车技能训练,这种技能并不能在日常骑行中习得。

6、刹车系统之外是否有种特殊的刹车技术来让骑手获得最好的刹车效果?
是的,这种过程叫做点刹,要求骑手在摩托车刹车的时候进行连续的间断性刹车,这会让骑手获得可靠的更好的刹车效果。

7、紧急状况下我们是否需要前后刹车都严格使用点刹?
这是一个有争议的话题。一些资深骑手猜测,研究表明即使在紧急状况下,恐慌情绪会降低你的骑行技能,在前刹制动良好的情况下,他们依然能够完美地使用后刹车。那好,研究表明,平均水平的骑手在紧急状况下只能专注于正确使用一个刹车,除非你认为你是摩托车比赛的顶级赛车手,我们还是建议你专注于最有效地使用一个刹车。在摩托车前后刹车间选择,紧急状况下应专注于使用前刹车,因为如果你没有用前刹车,用后刹车而不能解决后轮抱死的问题,你就会撞车!根据美国摩托车安全基金会的意见,如果你试图在紧急状况下最大限度地用好前后刹车,那你就哪个刹车也用不好。美国摩托车安全基金会认为你不能同时专注地同时操作两个刹车。你应该知道你妈妈经常唠叨的话:你不能同时专注地做两件事。因此,为了获得最好的刹车效果,你必须专注地要么使用前刹,要么使用后刹,并且前刹能提供最高80%的制动力,并且不正确的操作会让你翻车,因此,专注使用前刹车是合理的。MSF教导他们的教练“在紧急制动的情况下你应该大力用后刹车制动并且让后轮顺势侧滑”。这种方式可以让你专注于前方发生了什么,有足够的时间让你考虑去用前刹车。

8、那我如何使用后刹车?
应用它并且忘记它,如果必要的话,让后轮打滑。然后专注于使用前刹点刹来获得前刹的优异制动力来保命。

9、点刹是不是很难学习?
鉴于实践,这个技能不难去学习。最好的学习方式是从前刹车四个阶段的应用开始。如果你愿意,接着你可以增加阶段的数量来让你的刹车技能越来越进步。

10、你能解释一下四阶段刹车练习项目吗?
为了理解四阶段刹车,想象一下,骑手面对一组路灯行驶。
第一阶段,是骑手看到前面路口路灯变黄的时候握前刹车的力度,换句话说,轻轻地。在第一阶段,骑手轻握前刹车到一个临界点让制动力刚好可以非常非常轻柔地让摩托车滑行到停止。
第二阶段,是骑手看到路灯转黄的时候离路口比较近的情况下握前刹车的力度,他必须正常地,平稳地在路灯前停下来。所以,第二阶段是稳定地拉前刹车让车子稳定但安静地停下来。骑手应用他的前刹车到第一阶段(摩擦点)发生在第二阶段的施加稳定拉力之前。
第三阶段,骑手在决定如何做更好之前犹豫他是否需要在黄灯前停车。这时,他必须以相当大的制动力来刹停。因此他应用前刹到摩擦点(第一阶段),然后到稳定拉力(第二阶段)在他处于第三阶段施加强力拉力之前。
第四阶段,骑手非常不明智地决定冲过黄灯,结果发现在他到达路口之前变红灯了,在这种严重情况下,骑手需要用到所有他能用的刹车。因此他用前刹车到了摩擦点,接着是第二阶段的稳定拉力,接着第三阶段的强力拉力,在他用尽全力的第四阶段之前。

11、如果你在第四阶段用尽全力去用前刹制动,你不会让前轮抱死吗?
这是有可能的。但是如果用点刹的方式,在第四阶段轮胎到达抱死的临界点的时候,重量已经施加在前轮上。任何前轮轮胎失去控制的趋势都很容易被感觉到和被控制。这不同于因为前刹车捏死重心转移的情况下前轮抱死所导致的前轮打滑。伴随着四个阶段过程的正确应用,控制前轮打滑就是简单的保持车身直线状态,因为你松开前刹力道的时候,前轮会继续旋转获得抓地力。

12、如果前轮抱死我不放松前刹的话会发生什么?
你将从车上摔下来,因为前轮最终会下沉并且连车带人会摔倒。

13、你在紧急制动的时候可以做到多好?
紧急停止的时候,专家级车手有能力通过稍微放松前刹不是真正全部放开前刹的方式来让前轮转动来控制打滑。这需要对刹车有相当程度的敏锐感知,唯一的途径就是通过练习来获得此敏锐感知。在新西兰山区安全委员会高阶百万车手会议上,讲师讲的判断学员达到适当标准的方法是随着紧急停车时轮胎在与地面接触点抓地时学员是否能够听到前轮振颤。

14、胎纹磨光的轮胎刹车时可靠吗?
在很好的路面上,无胎纹轮胎可以相当充分地提供制动摩擦力。问题是很好的路面非常稀少,几乎不存在。轮胎花纹运作的方式就像一个扫帚,可以扫除路面上的各种碎片,脏东西,沙砾和水以便轮胎抓地。显眼的摩托赛车上的胎纹可以非常舒适地处理路面上的各种异物,除了油(特别是柴油)、粘稠泥浆、和光滑的湿油漆这些例外。但是说到胎纹磨光轮胎行驶在有异物的路面再加上紧急刹应力,摔车将会随处可见。

15、在滑的和松软路面如何刹车?
小心但是不要胆怯,在烂路上很好应用刹车的秘诀是观察。如果你知道你的轮子下面是什么你可以很好的调整你的刹车。所以,保持注视路面,如果你紧握前刹车穿过一个光滑的路面,前轮可能抱死。这也是骑手因为黄灯或者红灯刹车延迟并且暴力刹车经常冲到十字路口摔倒的原因。摔倒的原因是骑手经过十字路口的斑斑线的时候不能放松刹车,随之光滑路面刹车的时候前轮刹车失去制动力。骑手恐慌石化,人车都撞在地上...
在碎石等松软地面刹车的基本要求和在密封路面一样。区别是你必须更严格地注视碎石。
你必须用大量时间刹车,尽可能在直路上车身垂直的时候刹车(在碎石路面上任何倾斜的姿势刹车都是有害的)。精确地逐步应用前后刹车。刹车的时候小心倾听辨别前后轮胎的噪音,去探测和预防任何轮胎抱死,了解你的路面,并且在渐变、倾斜、急拐弯路面上刹车要特别小心。

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两个一起刹最好。力度看情况分配。
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mark,学习帖
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